On 23rd Aug I reported a Velvet scoter off Llanon leading a flock of common scoter. Red was at Strumble and saw later a similar sized flock of female wigeon led by a male and although I am sure the duck I saw were black and the lead duck black and white they were a way off and it seems too much of a coincidence. I would never put money on my eyes against Red's so I'll make that a velvet scoter question mark!